LIVE UPDATES: Woman who went on date with Charles Vallow takes the stand on day 3 of Lori Vallow Daybell’s trial

Lori Vallow Daybell is on trial in Maricopa County, Arizona, on one charge of conspiracy to commit the murder of Charles Vallow, her fourth husband. Nate Eaton is live in the courtroom with updates. Please excuse any typos. Times listed below are in Mountain Standard Time, so they are an hour behind Idaho. (Arizona does not observe Daylight Saving Time.) The most recent updates are at the top.

3:13 p.m. Join me tonight for “Courtroom Insider” at 8 p.m. MT. Lots to talk about.

3:12 p.m. We are going to recess for the evening. We will resume tomorrow at 10:30 a.m.

3:09 p.m. White noise is played and attorneys have sidebar with judge.

3:08 p.m. Christina does not recall the name of the dark spirit that inhabited Charles. Treena has no further questions. Lori says she has no questions for Christina. No questions from the jury. Witness is done.

3:05 p.m. After Christina spoke to Lori, Lori did not invite Christina to anything until August when he invited her to lunch. In July, Christina received a text message that Charles had been killed. “Originally when I received the message, I believe it was a brother-in-law of his (who had killed him). It was some time before I realized that Alex had been involved.”

3:03 p.m. At the last meeting in June, Serena was not present. Christina overheard Lori talking about Serena. “It was just very negative and that she didn’t believe that Serena was going to be good afterall – something to that effect.”

3:02 p.m. Christina says these statements stuck out because in her faith, members believe everyone except Jesus Christ needs to repent. Lori began talking about knowing members of her group in prior lives.

3:01 p.m. Lori said she hadn’t given Charles as many drugs as she had said the day before – tried to minimize it. Lori began making statements that Christina believes went against her religion and Lori said she did not need to repent anymore.

3 p.m. Christina didn’t stay much longer at the gatherings. She left and the next day, asked Lori if she would visit with her. Christina met with Lori. “I told her I was very concerned about what had been said and that it was really disturbing. I told her if something happened to Charles I would go to the police. She said they were just being silly and playing off each other and hadn’t meant anything by it. She was just being dramatic.”

2:59 p.m. Lori said she had crushed up some of JJ’s medicine and put it in Charles’ drink mix. Treena asks if it was a significant amount of medication. Christina says yes – “I was disturbed.” Alex had no reaction to this.

2:58 p.m. Christina doesn’t recall Lori reacting to these statements. Lori didn’t say, “You can’t kill my husband” or “You can’t say stuff like that.” Lori didn’t react to the statements. Christina says the statements were upsetting.

2:57 p.m. As they were breaking their fast, Alex said he wished he could just kill Charles. Lori was around one of the times that Alex said it. Alex said this more than once. “It was jocular, as I recall he was standing up and just talking about it pretty loudly.”

2:56 p.m. After the meeting, Lori still expressed that Charles was possessed. “We were asked to fast and pray for her family. We came together fasting and gathered outside and had a prayer together. I believe Lori was the one who said the prayer and then we went in and broke our fast and ate and visited.” Alex was part of the prayer outside.

2:55 p.m. Treena asks Christina’s impressions about Alex Cox. “He was pretty loud and outspoken, I guess, and I was very uncomfortable with what he was talking about,” Christina says.

2:54 p.m. On June 9, 2019, all the ladies got together at Zulema’s house. Zulema, Alex Cox, Melani Boudreaux, Nicole Earl, Melanie Gibb and Lori were all there. Another lady was there too.

2:52 p.m. Treena asks Christina if Lori ever talked to her about castings. Yes, Christina says. It was praying for dark spirits to be cast out of someone. Christina was in Lori’s presence when Lori prayed for the evil spirit to leave her husband. Treena asks if people were assigned different elements as part of the casting. Christina doesn’t recall.

2:51 p.m. Christina recalls Lori having at least two phones plus a third line that was a home landline. Lori was not working at the time. Christina did not know Lori to work.

2:50 p.m. Christina listens to the police interview. She told police a spirit had possessed Charles but she couldn’t remember the name. Christina recalls Lori speaking about Charles being possessed on more than one occasion. Lori was open about it.

2:47 p.m. Lori said Charles had a dark spirit and was possessed. Treena asks the name of the dark spirit. Christina doesn’t recall. Treena asks if listening to the recording of her interview with police would help her recall. Christina says it would.

2:46 p.m. The group met in the evening – maybe twice in a weekend. Serena was visiting from out of state.

2:44 p.m. At this meeting, Lori was concerned about dark spirits plaguing Charles. Treena asks if Lori said dark spirits possessed Charles. Christina doesn’t recall. Treena reminds Christina she told police in 2021 that this was the first time she heard of Charles being possessed with a dark spirit. Christina says if she said it then, it was accurate.

2:43 p.m. Christina knew Lori and Charles were separated. JJ was with Charles in Texas. Tylee was staying with Uncle Alex. Lori was also living with Alex, according to Christina. The only other person Christina knew in the group was Nicole. This was the first time she was meeting Zulema, Melanie and Serena.

2:41 p.m. Christina eventually learned Lori was back in Arizona. Lori invited her to come to a group in February/spring 2019. Other people were at the meeting: Zulema Pastenes, Melanie Gibb, Nicole Earl and Serena Sharp. Christina doesn’t recall who invited her to the meeting. The meeting was at Zulema’s house.

2:40 p.m. Christina told the police in 2021 that Lori told her she did not want Charles to know where Lori was when she left for Hawaii. Christina does not know how long Lori stayed in Hawaii. Christina did not know Lori went to Idaho until December 2019.

2:39 p.m. Christina recalls Lori saying that she was unhappy with Charles. Lori contacted Christina and said she had gone to Hawaii and she was not telling a lot of people. Lori told Christina that JJ was with Charles in Houston. Lori told Christina that Charles tried to have her temple recommend taken away and that was one of the reasons she left.

2:38 p.m. Correction – it may not have been an exhibit. It was a recording to help Christina refresh her memory about why Lori wanted Christina to go to Hawaii.

2:35 p.m. Treena moves to admit an exhibit dealing with why Lori was asking Christina to go to Hawaii.

2:32 p.m. Christina recalls speaking with Rexburg Det. Ron Ball in 2021. Treena asks if Christina recalls telling Ball that Lori wanted her to go to Hawaii in 2019. Christina says yes, that’s accurate.

2:32 p.m. Treena asks Christina if Lori ever asked her to go to Hawaii. “Yes, she did invite me.” It was likely late summer or fall of 2018, but she’s not positive.

2:31 p.m. Treena asks if Christina learned that Lori and Charles moved back to Arizona at some point. Christina doesn’t remember exactly how – but does remember running into Charles and Lori in the temple around 2018.

2:30 p.m. Christina also knew Colby but did not know Charles’ other sons from a prior marriage. Christina visited with Lori on a Sunday afternoon for an hour or two. Later that week, they got together and paddleboarded on the ocean.

2:28 p.m. Christina moved to the area where Charles and Lori lived in 2010. Christina visited Lori in Hawaii in 2015. Treena asks if Lori’s kids were in Hawaii when Christina and her family went to visit. There were 2 kids – JJ and Tylee. Christina doesn’t recall if Tylee was there that weekend – it may have just been JJ.

2:27 p.m. Christina knew Charles Vallow. Christina’s son and husband worked with Lori in the primary program at church. After Charles and Lori moved to Hawaii, Christina’s family stopped and visited Lori in Hawaii when they were on vacation. Treena asks Christina to point out Lori and describe what she is wearing.

2:26 p.m. Treena asks Christina to introduce herself. She has lived in Arizona since 2009. Treena asks if Christina is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. She is and was raised in the church. Christina met Lori at church sometime after 2010.

2:25 p.m. Next witness is Christina Atwood. She walks into the courtroom and is sworn in.

2:22 p.m. The next witness has arrived. Judge is back in the courtroom and Lori was just brought in. Sidenote: many ladies in the courtroom have commented on the attractiveness of Judge Beresky. One on my row just said, ” He’s so hot! I’m not hurting with this view.”

2:03 p.m. We are apparently going into recess. Jurors dismissed and Lori is walked out. Judge has left the courtroom. Not sure when we’ll be back.

2 p.m. Treena Kay asks for a sidebar.

1:59 p.m. Lori has no follow-up and neither does prosecution. Next witness will be called.

1:58 p.m. Judge asks Nancy Jo is Charles ever expressed to her verbal indications of stress. She says, “Definitely” and starts to add more but judge says to keep it at that. The judge asks if the defense has a follow-up. Lori chats with her investigator.

1:56 p.m. Defense and prosecution discussing the jury question with the judge. We don’t know what they’re saying as it’s a sidebar and sidebars are private. We will see if the witness is asked the question.

1:52 p.m. There is at least one question from the jury. Nancy Jo says, “The jury asks questions?” Judge says yes. White noise is now played and headphones with mics go on Treena, Lori and the judge.

1:51 p.m. Nancy Jo says after having dinner with Charles, she told him nobody would want to be serious with him until he was further along in his divorce “including myself.” She would have met with him again and not entertained a serious relationship but he was fun. Treena Kay is doing questioning.

1:50 p.m. Nancy Jo knew Charles and Lori had separated then reconciled but now Charles was emphatic that he was done with Lori.

1:49 p.m. “When you and I met, did we go through what you told the police?” Yes. “Did I indicate to you to just tell the truth?” Yes – you told me to tell the truth. Treena asks if Charles made an impression on Nancy Jo. “Charles was a large personality. It would be hard not to be impressed by his wit and gregarious, big personality with a southern accent.”

1:48 p.m. Treena asks Nancy Jo if she ever spoke with Adam about the case. She says no. She recognized Adam because she had seen him on reports and she knew he was going to testify in this case. She saw Adam a week and a half ago at a pickleball tournament. Treena asks if they spoke about the case. “We might have talked about that we were testifying. No details for sure. Just in general and then he saw my grandson.” There were no specifics in the conversation.

1:46 p.m. Nancy Jo remembers watching TV and seeing Charles on there as part of a case. “Shock is an understatement,” was her reaction. Treena asks Nancy Jo if she told police everything Charles told her. “I believe no, I thought I would be interviewed again and it was more an ask-answer format. I remember being surprised that I wasn’t interviewed again.”

1:45 p.m. Treena asks if Nancy Jo reached out to police or police reached out to her when she learned Charles was dead. Nancy Jo says she reached out to police. Nancy Jo knew Charles had changed his policy to Kay and he talked about how much he loved JJ, how they adopted JJ from Kay, etc.

1:44 p.m. Lori has no more questions. She turns around and walks back to her table. Treena will now re-direct.

1:43 p.m. Lori says five months after Charles died, is that when she contacted Kay? Nancy Jo says yes, to express her condolences about Charles passing away, that they had dinner together, and how much he loved JJ. Lori cuts her off and says, “Thank you. That’s enough.”

1:42 p.m. Lori says, “You met my husband on July 3 and you went on a date on July 10. Would it be fair to say you knew him a week?” She says yes. Lori says, “You had no contact with him after that?” Nancy Jo says, “Well, he was dead.”

1:41 p.m. Nancy Jo met with Treena Kay 4-5 weeks ago. That was their first communication. Lori asks Nancy Jo if she was aware that Lori didn’t know Charles was on dating websites. Treena objects as speculation. Judge sustains. Nancy Jo says Charles assumed Lori was having an affair and was moving on.

1:40 p.m. Lori asks if Nancy Jo has spoken with law enforcement about this case. Yes – Det. Nathan Moffatt in 2020 – likely in April. “A long time ago.” Lori asks how long the interview was. Nancy Jo says it was a phone interview and it lasted 45 minutes.

1:39 p.m. Lori asks if she knew Brandon was married to her niece. Nancy Jo is aware of that. Nancy Jo says she may not have even spoken with or met Brandon at the house that day. She did not introduce herself to Brandon.

1:38 p.m. Lori asks how many messages Nancy Jo sent to Adam. Lori asks if she scheduled a date with Adam. Nancy Jo kind of laughs and says, “I did not.” Lori asks Nancy Jo if she has ever spoken with Brandon Boudreaux. She says yes. Brandon attends the same church as her daughter and he happened to be at her daughter’s house briefly. She knew it was Brandon because her daughter told him.

1:36 p.m. Nancy Jo says she said hello to Adam and he asked who her grandson was on the pickleball team. “I don’t know that he knew who I was. I knew who he was.” Nancy Jo talked with Adam. “When you were talking with him, you told him you were who?” Nancy Jo: “I told him my name was Nancy Jo Hancock.” Nancy Jo says Lori’s brother came up on a dating app. She messaged the person because it had Adam’s photo but a different name. She reached out and said, “If you’re going to use someone photo, you should use someone elses.” Lori then says, “Do you know what perjury is?” Treena Kay objects as argumentative. Judge sustains.

1:35 p.m. Lori asks how long the meeting was with Nancy Jo and Treena. Maybe an hour, hour and a half. Lori asks if anyone else was there. Nancy Jo says no. Lori asks if Nancy Jo has ever spoken to her brother Adam. She says yes – only because she ran into him at her grandson’s pickleball tournament. She knew it was him because she has seen him on media “given the situation surrounding you.”

1:34 p.m. Lori asks how many times Nancy Jo has spoken with Treena Kay. Nancy Jo says she met with her once in person, one other phone call and then text messages about logistics about being in court today. Lori asks how many text messages. Nancy Jo says no idea.

1:33 p.m. Lori asks how many times Nancy Jo has texted Kay. She doesn’t know. “More than 10?” Lori asks if her text messages were ever turned over to the state. She says no. She would have turned over the texts had she been asked.

1:32 p.m. Lori begins. “Ms. Hancock, you said you had seen on TV that my husband had passed away.” She says that’s correct. Nancy Jo then reached out to Kay Woodcock and has texted her here and there “about other things.”

1:30 p.m. Judge is on the bench. Jurors are being brought in.

1:28 p.m. Lori just walked in the courtroom smiling with her papers. Nancy Jo is on the witness stand.

1:26 p.m. Back in the courtroom. Lori will continue cross-examining Nancy Jo Hancock this afternoon.

12:04 p.m. Lori says this will not be quick. She has a lot more cross. We are breaking for lunch. See you at 1:30 p.m. Will post video recap on YouTube shortly.

12:03 p.m. Lori wants to ask the question. Jury will be brought in. Kay is staring at Lori as Lori chats with her legal advisors.

12:01 p.m. Judge is excusing the jury for a few minutes. He says there are some technical difficulties with the headset. Judge says to Lori, “Are you sure you want the witness to answer the question about what things were said about you? Because you’re opening a really big door.”

11:59 a.m. Lori asks about what type of things Charles talked to Nancy Jo about. Nancy Jo says it was what she testified about. Lori wants more specifics. Judge asks for a sidebar. Headphones go on, white noise is played.

11:59 a.m. Lori asks what time Nancy Jo texted Charles. She says after dinner. Lori wants specifics. Nancy Jo doesn’t remember the times – says it was after dinner.

11:58 a.m. Lori: “So let me understand. You were dating some different men from the website. Would you say it was common for men to be talking so much about their supposed ex-wives with a potential?” Nancy Jo, “It’s actually very common.” Lori responds, “Interesting.” Treena objects. Lori apologizes and says she won’t do it again.

11:57 a.m. Lori is quite combative with this witness. Nancy Jo is calm and collected. Lori asks if Charles told her how much her life insurance policy was for. Nancy Jo says $1 million. Lori asks if he told her how much her life insurance policy was for. Nancy Jo doesn’t know.

11:56 a.m. Lori asks what else they talked about. She says the church, their families, etc. Lori asks if Charles talked about Tylee and his relationship with her. Nancy Jo doesn’t believe so.

11:55 a.m. Lori asks Nancy Jo if they spent their entire date speaking about Lori. “Don’t flatter yourself, No.”

11:52 a.m. Lori says, “Nancy Jo, right? We have not met before, right?” She says correct. Lori asks Nancy Jo if she had any way to verify that her husband was going through a divorce. She says no. Lori asks Nancy Jo if she was surprised to learn later that Charles was not in the process of a divorce. She says Charles was in the process of getting a divorce. Lori asks if she would have gone on a date with Charles if she had realized he was married. Lori asks Nancy Jo if she dates married men. Treena objects for argumentative and harassment. Judge sustains.

11:51 a.m. Nancy Jo had no idea Charles had been shot and killed. In December, she was watching TV and his picture came on the screen. It said he was dead on the date. Nancy Jo thought, “Oh my gosh, that’s right when I went out with him.” Nancy Jo went to her phone and pulled up the text conversations with Charles. She realized she was with him on July 10. State has no further questions. Lori will now question.

11:49 a.m. Nancy Jo and Charles had no formal plans for the next day – July 11. Around 11 a.m., she texted how his morning with JJ had been. She received no response. Nancy Jo calls a few hours later. She never got a call back. “I was puzzled how I had misread what I had thought was a good date that he would not even take the courtesy to reply. I wondered why but just figured that was what his decision was.”

11:48 a.m. Charles chuckled and said he probably should, that it was a good idea. Nancy Jo says she has “no beef in this case” and didn’t know any of Charles’ or Lori’s family back then.

11:47 a.m. Charles told Nancy Jo “a lot” about his life. He told her he changed the beneficiary to Kay. Nancy Jo suggested that maybe he should tell Lori “because of the things he was describing to me and the concerns for his safety and the thought that money would come into play.”

11:46 a.m. Nancy Jo says based on the details he was sharing about Lori, she was surprised how kind he spoke about Lori. He was hoping she would be a good mother. “Most men that you date aren’t nearly as kind about their ex and surprise them in more derogatory way. I remember how odd, in a good way, that he was not speaking in a derogatory way about Lori.”

11:46 a.m. Charles was “like a kid on Christmas morning. He was very excited to see JJ,” Nancy Jo says, her voice choking with emotion.

11:45 a.m. Charles was very fit and into physical fitness. He was strong, Nancy Jo says. She got to the restaurant first and arrived around 7-7:15 p.m. The restaurant closed at 10 and they continued to talk outside by Nancy’s truck for another 30-45 minutes.

11:44 a.m. Charles was “ecstatic” to see JJ and was excited to take him to school the next day, Nancy Jo says. He was also going to look for a place to live and meet with Adam Cox. The next day, Charles and Nancy Jo were supposed to meet up in the afternoon.

11:43 a.m. Nancy Jo met Charles on July 10 for the first time. It was the only time they met. Charles’ plane was delayed. When he arrived, they went to a restaurant and talked until the place closed. They talked and talked. Then they went outside and continued to talk.

11:42 a.m. Nancy Jo says Charles was very funny, kind, good at banter and seemed like a pretty awesome guy even with all the craziness around him. Treena asks if she thinks Charles and Nancy Jo were exclusive. She says, “Not at all.” Nancy Jo says another woman sent him scanty photos and asked him for money. Charles thought that was funny.

11:41 a.m. Nancy Jo remembers Charles being “strangely calm and kind” to Lori with all they were going through. Nancy Jo knew Charles and Lori had a child who was living with Lori at the time. Nancy Jo says she was aware of Charles’ older kids too.

11:40 a.m. Charles spoke in great detail with Nancy Jo about his relationship with Lori. Nancy Jo is LDS. Treena asks Nancy Jo if she was hearing anything that were outside of her beliefs. “A lot of things,” she responds.

11:38 a.m. Charles got very detailed about his life with Lori. They talked about Lori “a lot.” Nancy Jo has never met Lori Vallow. Treena begins to ask a question and Lori objects as “leading.” The question hasn’t been asked yet. Treena asks if Charles spoke about why he was separated from his wife. Nancy Jo says yes. She believes issues had been going on several months but since the beginning of 2019, things were more intense.

11:37 a.m. When they met, Charles was in Houston and was in the process of getting a divorce. They decided to meet. Nancy Jo knew Charles did something with life insurance and money but she tried not to let that be the focus so she could get to know him.

11:36 a.m. Nancy Jo and Charles met in early July 2019. Likely around the 3rd. Charles asked for her number and they texted “a lot.” “Charles was a texter and a talker and he was good at banter. There were hundreds of texts by the time I had met him.” They had conversations that lasted more than three hours.

11:35 a.m. Nancy Jo has five children, 15 grandchildren. She divorced and was on an LDS dating site. Charles sent her a message on the dating site and they began messaging back and forth.

11:34 a.m. Next witness is Nancy Jo Hancock, the woman Charles went on a date with the night before he was killed.

11:32 a.m. And in his opinion, does he believe Charles was on the ground when he was shot the second time. Coons says yes. Treena has no further questions. Jury has no questions. State will call its next witness.

11:31 a.m. Treena asks if, in his opinion, did the evidence support that Charles was standing up when he shot the first time. Coon says yes. And was the shooter in the kitchen/hallway area when he fired the shot? Yes.

11:30 a.m. Treena asks what Coons does when he arrives at a scene. He does an overall assessment of the scene, applies the information given to him and progresses from there. “I let the evidence speak for itself,” he says.

11:29 a.m. The one other bullet in the room explained Charles’ other injury – the bullet that was right next to him.

11:27 a.m. Treena asks if someone was standing and shot the bullet upward, where would the bullet go? Coons says it would go into the ceiling or the wall. Treena follows up by asking about the bullet going into the baseboard. “How is this consistent with Charles standing upright when he was shot?” Coons responds, “It hits the dimension of the room and the bullet path of hitting Charles, striking his spine” and then going into the baseboard. Charles’ wound was slightly downward.

11:25 a.m. Treena puts up a close-up photo of Charles’ body and the projectile into the floor near his head. Treena talks about Charles being rolled onto his right side, thus exposing his left shoulder. Treena asks if the bullet was ever moved. Coons has no idea about the condition of the bullet until he physically saw it.

11:24 a.m. Treena asks if there were other defects in the floor. Coons says there were other imperfections. Treena asks if the defect in the floor from the bullet was different than the others in the floor. He says yes – there was a linear mark and a slight semicircular edge toward the top right.

11:21 a.m. Treena hands the piece of wooden floor to the jurors. It’s in a plastic bag. They pass it from one juror to another as each one looks at it.

11:19 a.m. Treena brings out a tape measurer and approaches the witness. The end of the gun to Charles’ chest was about 2-4 feet, Coons says. She pulls out the tape measurer to the two feet mark and shows on the photo where the shooter would have been standing.

11:18 a.m. Treena asks where Coons was during the autopsy. He says he was in the viewing area of the room – they are mandated to watch from there.

11:17 a.m. Treena asks if Coons has ever looked at the autopsy report. He has. Treena asks if the word stippling was in the report. He says no.

11:16 a.m. Treena asks where the general area of the shooter was located in the house. He says somewhere in the area where the kitchen and hallway. Treena puts up a close shot of Charles on the ground. Treena points to the area in the house where the shooter likely was.

11:14 a.m. We now see a photo of Charles on the ground. Treena asks Coons to describe the rounded wall in the room. Charles is lying near the wall. “When we are talking about a gun being fired and casing ejected, as someone who has fired guns before, have you fired them where the casings are landing on a hard surface?” He says yes. Treena asks if casings bounce and roll. He says they do. “Do the locations of the casings show us exactly where they landed when they ejected?” He says no. They could have been kicked, moved, etc.

11:12 a.m. Treena shows the diagram of the house and asks if measurements were taken from the bullet fragments to other objects. He says he took triangulation measurements.

11:10 a.m. Treena brings out the gun used to shoot Charles. She asks about ejection to the right and the opening on the gun. Coons says that part indicates where the bullet will eject.

11:08 a.m. Treena asks if Coons observes crime scene techs during investigations. He says yes. Treena asks if, when Coons is the scene agent, if one of the investigators sees something, they bring it to him. He says yes.

11:07 a.m. Lori says it can’t be established who shot Charles or what time he was shot or when Charles died. Coons responds. Lori has no further questions. Treena will now re-direct.

11:05 a.m. Lori asks if Coons saw Alex’s wound on his head. He says he saw him with a paper towel. Lori asks if Alex’s hands were swabbed for gunshot residue. He says there was no need to do that – Alex said he was the shooter. Lori asks if her hands or Tylee’s hands were swabbed for gunshot residue – Coons says not that he’s aware of. “All you really know for sure, after your five years of investigation, is that my husband was shot two times. One by that particular gun by those particular bullets at my residence.” Coons says that’s oversimplified. Those are some known facts but that’s not all they know.

11:04 a.m. Lori asks if the upward trajectory from the bullet could have been caused by Charles falling backward. Coons says not in his opinion. Lori asks Coons if he was at the police department when Lori was interviewed. He says no. He was at the scene. Lori says, “I thought you didn’t get to the scene until 11:45.” Coons says, “No…that’s when we got the search warrant. I was at the scene shortly after 9 o’clock.”

11:02 a.m. Lori asks about the information he gathered from the scene. She asks about him not testing the wood floor. Treena objects – asked and answered. Lori then asks about not testing the shirt. Treena objects – asked and answered. These objections are being sustained. Lori asks if he called the shirt company to ask about the fabric. Coons says he did not.

11 a.m. Coons explains the trajectory of the bullet and how it went through Charles, exited his body and went into the floor. The other bullet went into the baseboard. Lori asks how far away from her husband’s shoulder was the bullet fragment found. Coons says a foot or more, maybe.

10:57 a.m. The video feed is about to begin from the courtroom and if you’re into this story, I’d recommend watching this morning. You can watch here.

10:56 a.m. Lori asks for the exhibit of the actual projectile. Her paralegal is trying to find it. Questioning is stalled for a bit while Lori goes to her advisory attorneys.

10:55 a.m. Lori asks if the baseboard paint was tested. He says no because “it was very clear the bullet had passed through your husband and embedded itself in the baseboard.” Lori says, “So it wasn’t tested because it really didn’t need to be, in your opinion?” He says correct. Lori responds, “Ok, that’s fair.”

10:54 a.m. Lori asks if he knows “for a fact, that the defect on my wood floor was caused by a bullet.” Treena objects – says asked and answered. Judge sustains.

10:53 a.m. Lori pulls up an exhibit showing the defect in the wood floor. Lori points with a pen to the spot. She points to previous defects in the floor. She asks Coons to compare the defects.

10:51 a.m. Lori asks if the defect in the floor could have already been there before the incident. Coons says, “Not in my opinion, No.” Lori says, “But it could have.” Treena objects – “Asked and answered.” Judge sustains.

10:50 a.m. Lori asks if testing the floor wouldn’t be the best way to determine if the bullet had hit the floor. Coons says the bullet was in the floor and did not need to be tested. Lori asks if the projectile was tested for any marks from the floor. Coons say no. Lori asks if Coons is aware it was a rental house. Coons says he knew that.

10:49 a.m. Lori asks if the wood floor was tested for any fragments of the projectile. Coons says it was seized, not tested. Lori asks what seized means. Lori asks why it was not tested for projectiles. Coons says the projectile was in the floor.

10:48 a.m. Lori asks if the shirt was ever tested for anything. He says he did not. Lori asks if anyone tested the shirt for anything. “I do not know,” he says. “So you’re not aware of it?” Lori says. Coons responds, “Correct. I do not know if anyone else tested it.”

10:47 a.m. Lori asks again if the material of Charles’ shirt could have caused the shored wound. Treena objects – says asked and answered. Judge sustains. Lori asks where Charles’ shirt is now. Coons believes it’s in evidence. The last time he saw the shirt, it was put into a drying cage and put into evidence.

10:46 a.m. Lori asking about the shirt being cut off Charles. Coons says it was not cut off, it was cut down the side. Lori asks if they have a measurement for the bullet holes in the shirt. Coons does not.

10:45 a.m. Lori asks if it’s possible the shirt could have caused a short wound. Coons say he does not know. Lori says, “Because you did not do any investigation about the shirt.” Coons says it’s because the shirt appeared to be a full t-shirt – not tight and form-fitted.

10:43 a.m. Lori asks Coons why he never checked what type of fabric Charles’ shirt was. He did not. Lori seems to be arguing that tight clothing that’s very strong could affect the wound. Coons doesn’t believe the shirt was that tight on Charles.

10:42 a.m. In his report, Coons referred to a “shored wound” on Charles’ body from the gunshot. Lori asks what that means. He explains. Lori asks if Coons collected her husband’s clothing. He did. Lori asks if he’s familiar with bamboo clothing. He says he’s not sure if he his. Lori asks Coons if he was aware that Charles was wearing a $200 workout shirt. Treena objects. Judge says Coons can answer. Coons has no idea how much Charles’ shirt cost. Lori asks if the bamboo fabric could have affected the wound.

10:40 a.m. Lori asks if he’s aware of what he wrote in his report following the shooting. He says he doesn’t remember everything in it. She asks if he would like to see it to refresh his memory. He says that would be helpful.

10:39 a.m. Lori asks if Coons is aware that Charles and Alex were friends and golfed together. Treena Kay objects based on relevance. Lori responds that she’s going somewhere with this and her next question will explain. Lori continues to ask questions about Charles and Alex’s relationship. Treena Kay objects based on relevance. Judge sustains.

10:36 a.m. Lori begins by asking Coons about stippling from the gunshot wound. She is fiery this morning. Lori asks Coons if he was present when her husband was shot. He says no. She asks if his opinion is an educated case. He says it’s based on facts.

10:32 a.m. Lori asks judge to strike the entire witness testimony from yesterday and tell the jury to ignore his testimony. Judge asks Lori how his decision violated her rights. Lori says she stands by her statement and does not want to argue.

10:31 a.m. Lori Vallow Daybell is back in the courtroom wearing a black dress suit. Judge is on the bench. He asks if anything needs to be discussed before the jurors come out. Lori says she has two brief things – one is getting headsets for her advisory counsel. Judge says there are five total. Her side can have two. Second issue – Lori wants to make a motion on the record before court begins. “I have a constitutional right to due process under the 14th amendment,” Lori says she has the right to confront witnesses. “Yesterday, this court allowed the state to transform a witness into an expert witness,” Lori says.

10:30 a.m. Judge’s clerk just told everyone in the room not to talk when the judge is on the bench because the acoustics in the room pick up a lot of sound.

10:20 a.m. Back in the courtroom for day 3 of Lori Vallow Daybell’s trial. Less media and public today. Lori Vallow Daybell will resume questioning retired Chandler Police Officer Daniel Coons about the crime scene.

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